diff --git a/events/forms.py b/events/forms.py
index f3efd080..f992f42e 100644
--- a/events/forms.py
+++ b/events/forms.py
@@ -1348,8 +1348,9 @@ def __init__(self, event, *args, **kwargs):
         self.helper.layout = Layout(
             Field('crew_chief', placeholder="Crew Chief", title=""),
             Field('service' if isinstance(event, Event) else 'category'),
-            Field('setup_location'),
-            Field('setup_start', css_class="dtp"),
+            #Field('setup_location'),
+            #Field('setup_start', css_class="dtp"),
+            Field('position'),
             HTML('<hr>'),
         )
         super(CCIForm, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs)
@@ -1359,9 +1360,9 @@ def __init__(self, event, *args, **kwargs):
         if isinstance(event, Event2019):
             self.fields['category'].queryset = Category.objects.filter(
                 pk__in=event.serviceinstance_set.values_list('service__category', flat=True))
-        self.fields['setup_start'].initial = self.fields['setup_start'].prepare_value(
-            self.event.datetime_setup_complete.replace(second=0, microsecond=0)
-        )
+        #self.fields['setup_start'].initial = self.fields['setup_start'].prepare_value(
+        #    self.event.datetime_setup_complete.replace(second=0, microsecond=0)
+        #)
 
     def clean(self):
         cleaned_data = super(CCIForm, self).clean()
@@ -1386,15 +1387,16 @@ def save(self, commit=True):
 
     class Meta:
         model = EventCCInstance
-        fields = ('category', 'crew_chief', 'service', 'setup_location', 'setup_start')
+        #fields = ('category', 'crew_chief', 'service', 'setup_location', 'setup_start')
+        fields = ('category', 'crew_chief', 'service', 'position')
 
     crew_chief = AutoCompleteSelectField('Members', required=True)
-    setup_start = forms.SplitDateTimeField(initial=timezone.now)
-    setup_location = GroupedModelChoiceField(
-        queryset=Location.objects.filter(setup_only=True).select_related('building'),
-        group_by_field="building",
-        group_label=lambda group: group.name,
-    )
+    #setup_start = forms.SplitDateTimeField(initial=timezone.now)
+    #setup_location = GroupedModelChoiceField(
+    #    queryset=Location.objects.filter(setup_only=True).select_related('building'),
+    #    group_by_field="building",
+    #    group_label=lambda group: group.name,
+    #)
     category = ModelChoiceField(queryset=Category.objects.all(), required=False)
     service = ModelChoiceField(queryset=Service.objects.all(), required=False)  # queryset gets changed in constructor
 
diff --git a/events/migrations/0015_cc_position.py b/events/migrations/0015_cc_position.py
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..3c2b7e8e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/events/migrations/0015_cc_position.py
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+# Generated by Django 4.2.13 on 2025-10-27 04:50
+
+from django.db import migrations, models
+
+
+class Migration(migrations.Migration):
+
+    dependencies = [
+        ('events', '0014_event_updates'),
+    ]
+
+    operations = [
+        migrations.AlterModelOptions(
+            name='hours',
+            options={'ordering': ('event',)},
+        ),
+        migrations.AddField(
+            model_name='eventccinstance',
+            name='position',
+            field=models.CharField(max_length=128, null=True),
+        ),
+    ]
diff --git a/events/migrations/0016_cc_position.py b/events/migrations/0016_cc_position.py
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..f745aee8
--- /dev/null
+++ b/events/migrations/0016_cc_position.py
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+# Generated by Django 4.2.13 on 2025-10-27 05:16
+
+from django.db import migrations, models
+import django.db.models.deletion
+
+
+class Migration(migrations.Migration):
+
+    dependencies = [
+        ('events', '0015_cc_position'),
+    ]
+
+    operations = [
+        migrations.AlterField(
+            model_name='eventccinstance',
+            name='position',
+            field=models.CharField(blank=True, default='', max_length=128),
+        ),
+        migrations.AlterField(
+            model_name='eventccinstance',
+            name='setup_location',
+            field=models.ForeignKey(null=True, on_delete=django.db.models.deletion.PROTECT, related_name='ccinstances', to='events.location'),
+        ),
+    ]
diff --git a/events/models.py b/events/models.py
index 2283bc3f..85168768 100755
--- a/events/models.py
+++ b/events/models.py
@@ -1496,9 +1496,11 @@ class EventCCInstance(models.Model):
 
     category = models.ForeignKey(Category, on_delete=models.PROTECT, related_name='ccinstances')
     service = models.ForeignKey(Service, on_delete=models.PROTECT, null=True, related_name='ccinstances')
-    setup_location = models.ForeignKey(Location, on_delete=models.PROTECT, related_name='ccinstances')
+    setup_location = models.ForeignKey(Location, on_delete=models.PROTECT, null=True, related_name='ccinstances')
     setup_start = models.DateTimeField(null=True, blank=True)
 
+    position = models.CharField(max_length=128, default="", blank=True)
+
     def cal_name(self):
         """ Title used by calendars """
         return self.event.event_name + ' ' + (self.service.shortname if self.service else self.category.name) + ' Setup'
@@ -1518,11 +1520,15 @@ def cal_desc(self):
 
     def cal_location(self):
         """ Location used by calendars """
-        return self.setup_location.name
+        if self.setup_location:
+            return self.setup_location.name
+        return ""
 
     def cal_start(self):
         """ Start time used by calendars (setup) """
-        return self.setup_start
+        if self.setup_start:
+            return self.setup_start
+        return ""
 
     def cal_end(self):
         """ End time used by calendars """
diff --git a/events/views/flow.py b/events/views/flow.py
index 489c6916..e82eecd8 100644
--- a/events/views/flow.py
+++ b/events/views/flow.py
@@ -1002,6 +1002,8 @@ def viewevent(request, id):
     context['history'] = Version.objects.get_for_object(event)
     if isinstance(event, Event2019):
         context['crew_count'] = event.crew_attendance.filter(active=True).values('user').count()
+
+    context["has_cc_setup_times_or_locations"] = event.ccinstances.filter(setup_location__isnull=False).exists() or event.ccinstances.filter(setup_start__isnull=False).exists()
  
     if event.serviceinstance_set.exists():
         context['categorized_services_and_extras'] = {}
diff --git a/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.html b/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.html
index 11699cd7..c11216aa 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.html
+++ b/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.html
@@ -15,8 +15,8 @@
                 <p align="left" class="article-title">{{ subject }}</p>
                 <div align="left" class="article-content">
                 <p>You've been added as a crew chief to the event {{ ccinstance.event.event_name }}.<br>
-                You have signed up to be crew chief for {{ ccinstance.category }},
-                with your setup starting on {{ ccinstance.setup_start }} in the {{ ccinstance.setup_location }}.</p>
+                You have signed up to be crew chief for {{ ccinstance.category }}{% if ccinstance.setup_start and ccinstance.setup_location %},
+                with your setup starting on {{ ccinstance.setup_start }} in the {{ ccinstance.setup_location }}{% endif %}.</p>
 
                 <p>Please note that the attached Workorder PDF contains all services relating to the event, not just your assigned service.</p>
 
@@ -24,7 +24,9 @@
                 <i>{{ ccinstance.event.location }}</i><br>
                 Start: {{ ccinstance.event.datetime_start }}<br>
                 End: {{ ccinstance.event.datetime_end }}<br>
+                {% if ccinstance.setup_start %}
                 Setup start: {{ ccinstance.setup_start }}<br>
+                {% endif %}
                 Setup complete: {{ ccinstance.event.datetime_setup_complete }}</p>
 
                 <p>See full details of this event <a href="{% get_base_url %}{% url 'events:detail' ccinstance.event.id %}">here</a>.</p>
diff --git a/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.txt b/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.txt
index 79d68c2c..9c4d1d14 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.txt
+++ b/site_tmpl/emails/email_ccadd.txt
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 {{ subject }}
 
 You've been added as a crew chief to the event {{ ccinstance.event.event_name }}.
-You have signed up to be crew chief for {{ ccinstance.category }}, with your setup starting on {{ ccinstance.setup_start }} in the {{ ccinstance.setup_location }}.
+You have signed up to be crew chief for {{ ccinstance.category }}{% if ccinstance.setup_start %}, with your setup starting on {{ ccinstance.setup_start }} in the {{ ccinstance.setup_location }}{% endif %}.
 
 Please note that the attached Workorder PDF contains all services relating to the event, not just your assigned service.
 
diff --git a/site_tmpl/events_public.html b/site_tmpl/events_public.html
index 9c0c72a3..96685cd5 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/events_public.html
+++ b/site_tmpl/events_public.html
@@ -155,12 +155,16 @@ <h2>Ongoing and Future Events</h2>
                         <td>{{event.location}} ({{event.location.building }})</td>
                         <td>
                             {% for cc in event.ccinstances.all|dictsort:"setup_start" %}
+                            {% if cc.setup_location %}
                             <strong>{{cc.service.shortname }}</strong> {{cc.setup_location }}  <br />
+                            {% endif %}
                             {% endfor %}
                         </td>
                         <td>
                             {% for cc in event.ccinstances.all|dictsort:"setup_start" %}
+                            {% if cc.setup_start %}
                             {{cc.setup_start }}  <br />
+                            {% endif %}
                             {% endfor %}
                         </td>
                         <td>
diff --git a/site_tmpl/formset_crispy_helpers.html b/site_tmpl/formset_crispy_helpers.html
index 8cff3687..ec9b0a69 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/formset_crispy_helpers.html
+++ b/site_tmpl/formset_crispy_helpers.html
@@ -11,39 +11,42 @@ <h2>Crew Chiefs for "{{ event }}"</h2>
                 {{ formset.management_form }}
                 <table class="table table-striped" valign="top"> <tbody id="form_data">
                     <tr>
-                        <th>Setup Location </th>
-                        <th>Setup Time </th>
+                        <th>Crew Chief</th>
+                        {# <th>Setup Location </th> #}
+                        {# <th>Setup Time </th> #}
                         {% if oldevent %}
                             <th>Service</th>
                         {% else %}
                             <th>Category</th>
                         {% endif %}
-                        <th>Crew Chief</th>
+                        <th>Position</th>
                         <th>Delete?</th>
                     </tr>
                 {% for form in formset %}
                     {% if form.errors %}
                     <tr class="warning">
-                        <td>{% for e in form.setup_location.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
-                        <td>{% for e in form.setup_start.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
+                        <td></td>{% for e in form.crew_chief.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
+                        {# <td>{% for e in form.setup_location.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td> #}
+                        {# <td>{% for e in form.setup_start.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td> #}
                         {% if oldevent %}
                             <td>{% for e in form.service.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
                         {% else %}
                             <td>{% for e in form.category.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
                         {% endif %}
-                        <td>{% for e in form.crew_chief.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
+                        <td></td>{% for e in form.position.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
                         <td>{% for e in form.DELETE.errors %} {{ e }} <i class="glyphicon glyphicon-chevron-down"></i> {% endfor %}</td>
                     </tr>
                     {% endif %}
                     <tr>
-                        <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.setup_location }} </td>
-                        <td class="dtptable">{{ form.setup_start }} </td>
+                        <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.crew_chief }} </td>
+                        {# <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.setup_location }} </td> #}
+                        {# <td class="dtptable">{{ form.setup_start }} </td> #}
                         {% if oldevent %}
                             <td>{{ form.service }}</td>
                         {% else %}
                             <td>{{ form.category }}</td>
                         {% endif %}
-                        <td>{{ form.crew_chief }} </td>
+                        <td>{{ form.position }} </td>
                         <td>{{ form.DELETE }} </td>
                     </tr>
                 {% endfor %}
@@ -59,14 +62,15 @@ <h2>Crew Chiefs for "{{ event }}"</h2>
     {% with formset.empty_form as form %}
         <table style="display:none;"> <tbody id="empty_form">
             <tr>
-                <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.setup_location }} </td>
-                <td class="dtptable">{{ form.setup_start }} </td>
+                <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.crew_chief }} </td>
+                {# <td>{{ form.id }}{{ form.setup_location }} </td> #}
+                {# <td class="dtptable">{{ form.setup_start }} </td> #}
                 {% if oldevent %}
                     <td>{{ form.service }}</td>
                 {% else %}
                     <td>{{ form.category }}</td>
                 {% endif %}
-                <td>{{ form.crew_chief }} </td>
+                <td>{{ form.position }} </td>
                 <td>{{ form.DELETE }} </td>
             </tr>
         </tbody> </table>
diff --git a/site_tmpl/price_breakdown.html b/site_tmpl/price_breakdown.html
index c6d4bec8..1a0d856d 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/price_breakdown.html
+++ b/site_tmpl/price_breakdown.html
@@ -72,6 +72,8 @@
                 <td class="tdra">${{ service_instance.cost }}</td>
             </tr>
         {% endfor %}
+    {% endif %}
+    {% if event.extrainstance_set.exists %}
         {% for extra_instance in event.extrainstance_set.all %}
             <tr>
                 <td>{{ extra_instance }} <strong>x{{ extra_instance.quant }}</strong></td>
diff --git a/site_tmpl/uglydetail.html b/site_tmpl/uglydetail.html
index 51e3d59d..5509b0b0 100644
--- a/site_tmpl/uglydetail.html
+++ b/site_tmpl/uglydetail.html
@@ -556,23 +556,31 @@ <h2> Crew Chief(s) </h2>
                     <table class="table">
                         <tr>
                             <th>Name</th>
-                            <th>Setup Location</th>
-                            <th>Setup Time</th>
+                            {% if has_cc_setup_times_or_locations %}
+                                <th>Setup Location</th>
+                                <th>Setup Time</th>
+                            {% endif %}
                             <th>Category</th>
+                            <th>Position</th>
                         </tr>
                         {% for cc in event.ccinstances.all %}
                         <tr>
                             <td>
                                 <a href="{% url "accounts:detail" cc.crew_chief.id %}">{{ cc.crew_chief.get_full_name }}</a>
                             </td>
+                            {% if has_cc_setup_times_or_locations %}
+                                <td>
+                                    {{ cc.setup_location }}
+                                </td>
+                                <td>
+                                    {{ cc.setup_start }}
+                                </td>
+                            {% endif %}
                             <td>
-                                {{ cc.setup_location }}
-                            </td>
-                            <td>
-                                {{ cc.setup_start }}
+                                {{ cc.category }}
                             </td>
                             <td>
-                                {{ cc.category }}
+                                {{ cc.position }}
                             </td>
                         {% endfor %}
                     </table>
@@ -593,13 +601,11 @@ <h2> Crew </h2>
                 </div>
                 {% permission request.user has 'events.view_event_reports' of event %}
                 <div id="reports" class="tab-pane">
-                    {% if not event.closed %}
-                        {% permission request.user has 'events.add_event_report' of event %}
-                            <div class="pull-right">
-                                <a class="btn btn-primary btn-lg" href="{% url "events:reports:new" event.id%}">New</a>
-                            </div>
-                        {% endpermission %}
-                    {% endif %}
+                    {% permission request.user has 'events.add_event_report' of event %}
+                        <div class="pull-right">
+                            <a class="btn btn-primary btn-lg" href="{% url "events:reports:new" event.id%}">New</a>
+                        </div>
+                    {% endpermission %}
                     <h2>Reports</h2>
                     {% for report in event.ccreport_set.all %}
                         <h4>Report by {{report.crew_chief }}</h4> 
@@ -608,14 +614,12 @@ <h4>Report by {{report.crew_chief }}</h4>
                             {% if report.created_on != report.updated_on %}
                                 Last Updated: {{ report.updated_on }}
                             {% endif %}
-                            {% if not event.closed %}
-                                {% permission request.user has 'events.change_ccreport' of report %}
-                                    [<a href="{% url "events:reports:edit" event.id report.id %}">Edit</a>]
-                                {% endpermission %}
-                                {% permission request.user has 'events.delete_ccreport' of report %}
-                                    [<a href="{% url "events:reports:remove" event.id report.id %}">Delete</a>]
-                                {% endpermission %}
-                            {% endif %}
+                            {% permission request.user has 'events.change_ccreport' of report %}
+                                [<a href="{% url "events:reports:edit" event.id report.id %}">Edit</a>]
+                            {% endpermission %}
+                            {% permission request.user has 'events.delete_ccreport' of report %}
+                                [<a href="{% url "events:reports:remove" event.id report.id %}">Delete</a>]
+                            {% endpermission %}
                         </em>
                         
                         <blockquote>
diff --git a/slack/views.py b/slack/views.py
index 163eb770..53097d50 100644
--- a/slack/views.py
+++ b/slack/views.py
@@ -677,9 +677,9 @@ def cc_add_notification(cci):
             "type": "section",
             "text": {
                 "type": "mrkdwn",
-                "text": "You've been added as a crew chief to the event *%s*. Your setup is currently scheduled for "
+                "text": "You've been added as a crew chief to the event *%s*." + "Your setup is currently scheduled for "
                         "*%s* in the *%s*." % (cci.event.event_name, cci.setup_start.strftime('%b %-d, %Y at %-I:%M %p'),
-                                               cci.setup_location.name.strip())
+                                               cci.setup_location.name.strip()) if cci.setup_start and cci.setup_location else ""
             }
         },
         {